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		<title>By: Should We Use Food Crops For Food, Not Fuel? &#124; Healthy Living</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should We Use Food Crops For Food, Not Fuel? &#124; Healthy Living</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is clear that the real SOLUTION to our current conundrum is to reduce consumption, not to consume more environmentally friendly products. Unfortunately, this in unrealistic in the short term, so lets focus on baby steps.
On the bright side, with oil hitting $125/barrel, I think we are going to see some real changes is consumption. I am in the UK right now, and gas is 1.4 pounds per litre (for the Canadians in the house, thats almost $3/liter, and for the americans, it is over $12/gallon). That is three times what we are paying in North America. Europe started paying these prices five years ago because of the high gas prices, and now everyone drives a sub-compact that you cant even buy in North America.
To touch on Bob's point, he feels small driving a cavalier, but in Europe that is a HUGE car. I think (and hope) that the rising gas prices will change people consumption habits, and drive down the demand for SUVs. Will, you seem to be finding that small cars are becoming the norm in Southern Oregon, but I don't thing that is the case, at least not in Vancouver. I also hope that the big car companies, especially VW and BMW, will start bringing their super-efficient tiny diesels into Canada and the US so that we dont have to buy a Yaris or a Prius to be fuel efficient.
Anyway, I think that we are on the wrong track, but there is hope.

Nigels last blog post..&lt;a href="http://www.undoge.org/?p=33"&gt;Goodbye undoGE forum&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is clear that the real SOLUTION to our current conundrum is to reduce consumption, not to consume more environmentally friendly products. Unfortunately, this in unrealistic in the short term, so lets focus on baby steps.<br />
On the bright side, with oil hitting $125/barrel, I think we are going to see some real changes is consumption. I am in the UK right now, and gas is 1.4 pounds per litre (for the Canadians in the house, thats almost $3/liter, and for the americans, it is over $12/gallon). That is three times what we are paying in North America. Europe started paying these prices five years ago because of the high gas prices, and now everyone drives a sub-compact that you cant even buy in North America.<br />
To touch on Bob&#8217;s point, he feels small driving a cavalier, but in Europe that is a HUGE car. I think (and hope) that the rising gas prices will change people consumption habits, and drive down the demand for SUVs. Will, you seem to be finding that small cars are becoming the norm in Southern Oregon, but I don&#8217;t thing that is the case, at least not in Vancouver. I also hope that the big car companies, especially VW and BMW, will start bringing their super-efficient tiny diesels into Canada and the US so that we dont have to buy a Yaris or a Prius to be fuel efficient.<br />
Anyway, I think that we are on the wrong track, but there is hope.</p>
<p>Nigels last blog post..<a href="http://www.undoge.org/?p=33">Goodbye undoGE forum</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/environment/will-green-be-sticky-this-time/#comment-9416</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right about recycling having to be easy for it to be widely accepted.  That is why for &lt;a href="http://willtaft.com/environment/recyling-the-odd-items/" target="_blank" &gt;the odd items&lt;/a&gt;, it will be difficult to ever get a high rate of recycling.  But whatever we can throw into the co-mingled bin will get recycled.

I think technology has to do two things.  One, come up with more and more ways for recycling companies to profitably separate items out of the co-mingled recycling containers they collect.  And two, make new products as recycling friendly right from the start.

Boy, people are sure trading in and buying smaller cars around here.  I heard yesterday that some used car dealers will no longer take big SUV's and Trucks in trade, even to make a sale on a smaller car.  They are saying the smaller cars are selling without a trade in and that their lots are full of trucks and SUV's they can't sell at any price!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right about recycling having to be easy for it to be widely accepted.  That is why for <a href="http://willtaft.com/environment/recyling-the-odd-items/" target="_blank" >the odd items</a>, it will be difficult to ever get a high rate of recycling.  But whatever we can throw into the co-mingled bin will get recycled.</p>
<p>I think technology has to do two things.  One, come up with more and more ways for recycling companies to profitably separate items out of the co-mingled recycling containers they collect.  And two, make new products as recycling friendly right from the start.</p>
<p>Boy, people are sure trading in and buying smaller cars around here.  I heard yesterday that some used car dealers will no longer take big SUV&#8217;s and Trucks in trade, even to make a sale on a smaller car.  They are saying the smaller cars are selling without a trade in and that their lots are full of trucks and SUV&#8217;s they can&#8217;t sell at any price!</p>
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		<title>By: chaosgone</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaosgone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will:

I’m glad you liked the happy songs.  I had fun with it.

I thought a little more about this topic.  In the United States, during World War I and World War II, there was &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing#Civilian_rationing_in_the_US  "&gt;rationing&lt;/a&gt;.  Also, in the 70’s, there was rationing of gasoline. (Odd, even days.)  The people responded to it, since the government was running the show.  What choice did they have?

If the government does not tell us that being “green” is important, people will stick to their bad habits, unless they have to change.  But, the government is working on it, to a degree.  For example, where I live they would like us to recycle more.  To that end, they are giving us roll carts and allow us to mix all recyclable materials (except glass and motor oil) together.  With less work for us, there is a better chance that we will recycle more.  I know that I will.

While gasoline is so high, people will probably buy cars that are more fuel efficient.  But, if they get used to the price of gas, or the price of gas goes down again, they will probably go back to buying “fun” cars, like SUV’s or other cars that don’t get good gas mileage.  However, the government could step in, and require the car companies to make better cars.  11 states are working to pass &lt;a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070515/ai_n19111755"&gt;higher gas-mileage standards&lt;/a&gt; than the federal government has.

Maybe we are having a better chance of “green” sticking this time.  I hope so.

chaosgones last blog post..&lt;a href="http://chaosgone.blogspot.com/2008/05/happy-songs.html"&gt;Happy Songs&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:</p>
<p>I’m glad you liked the happy songs.  I had fun with it.</p>
<p>I thought a little more about this topic.  In the United States, during World War I and World War II, there was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing#Civilian_rationing_in_the_US  ">rationing</a>.  Also, in the 70’s, there was rationing of gasoline. (Odd, even days.)  The people responded to it, since the government was running the show.  What choice did they have?</p>
<p>If the government does not tell us that being “green” is important, people will stick to their bad habits, unless they have to change.  But, the government is working on it, to a degree.  For example, where I live they would like us to recycle more.  To that end, they are giving us roll carts and allow us to mix all recyclable materials (except glass and motor oil) together.  With less work for us, there is a better chance that we will recycle more.  I know that I will.</p>
<p>While gasoline is so high, people will probably buy cars that are more fuel efficient.  But, if they get used to the price of gas, or the price of gas goes down again, they will probably go back to buying “fun” cars, like SUV’s or other cars that don’t get good gas mileage.  However, the government could step in, and require the car companies to make better cars.  11 states are working to pass <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070515/ai_n19111755">higher gas-mileage standards</a> than the federal government has.</p>
<p>Maybe we are having a better chance of “green” sticking this time.  I hope so.</p>
<p>chaosgones last blog post..<a href="http://chaosgone.blogspot.com/2008/05/happy-songs.html">Happy Songs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reducing complex ideas to buzzwords is a symptom of the problem, IMO. I'm already getting sick of people using "green" as a blanket term for ecologically sound, especially since it seems a lot of companies are scrambling to "stick" the term on whatever piece of ephemeral consumer crap they can muster. 

We need less buzzword jockeys and more real insights. Hip, trendy culture doesn't have the attention span to make a significant contribution to the planet so let's not cater to them. Let's keep real thinking out of the trend machine, and maybe "green" won't get chewed up, spit out and forgotten like last year's fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reducing complex ideas to buzzwords is a symptom of the problem, IMO. I&#8217;m already getting sick of people using &#8220;green&#8221; as a blanket term for ecologically sound, especially since it seems a lot of companies are scrambling to &#8220;stick&#8221; the term on whatever piece of ephemeral consumer crap they can muster. </p>
<p>We need less buzzword jockeys and more real insights. Hip, trendy culture doesn&#8217;t have the attention span to make a significant contribution to the planet so let&#8217;s not cater to them. Let&#8217;s keep real thinking out of the trend machine, and maybe &#8220;green&#8221; won&#8217;t get chewed up, spit out and forgotten like last year&#8217;s fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob - You know, all the used car lots around here are full of nothing but big SUV's and trucks.  They can't sell them.  And the roads are definitely populated with many, many more small cars than a few months ago.  It is really noticeable.  If lots of people are actually trading in their big vehicles for small, I think they feel this gas thing is for the long term.  I don't know if it is a country wide phenomena, but is is very apparent here in Southern Oregon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob - You know, all the used car lots around here are full of nothing but big SUV&#8217;s and trucks.  They can&#8217;t sell them.  And the roads are definitely populated with many, many more small cars than a few months ago.  It is really noticeable.  If lots of people are actually trading in their big vehicles for small, I think they feel this gas thing is for the long term.  I don&#8217;t know if it is a country wide phenomena, but is is very apparent here in Southern Oregon.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, Swubird!  Do you really think that is most people? If so, then the only fix will be to give people what they want, but in a much more healthy and sustainable way.  I don't know if that is possible.  I have to be more optimistic than that.  Everyone won't make the effort, but hopefully enough will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, Swubird!  Do you really think that is most people? If so, then the only fix will be to give people what they want, but in a much more healthy and sustainable way.  I don&#8217;t know if that is possible.  I have to be more optimistic than that.  Everyone won&#8217;t make the effort, but hopefully enough will.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Will, very timely post as I was in a line at a Tim Hortons coffee drive through this morning, I felt small in my little Cavalier, sandwiched between two large SUVs, in fact almost all SUVs and a couple large vans.  I'm a big believer in every little bit helps, but unfortunately people have short memories due in part to other false alarms and seriously conflicting points of views from supposed experts, 

I remember back in the seventies when we were going to run out of oil and then as fast as the threat came it was gone, or so it seemed.  People are weary of all the threats, like the little boy who cried wolf, we won't take action when a real one comes along cause it's just another false alarm.

Bobs last blog post..&lt;a href="http://blackholesandastrostuff.blogspot.com/2008/05/aquarid-meteor-shower.html"&gt;Aquarid Meteor Shower&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Will, very timely post as I was in a line at a Tim Hortons coffee drive through this morning, I felt small in my little Cavalier, sandwiched between two large SUVs, in fact almost all SUVs and a couple large vans.  I&#8217;m a big believer in every little bit helps, but unfortunately people have short memories due in part to other false alarms and seriously conflicting points of views from supposed experts, </p>
<p>I remember back in the seventies when we were going to run out of oil and then as fast as the threat came it was gone, or so it seemed.  People are weary of all the threats, like the little boy who cried wolf, we won&#8217;t take action when a real one comes along cause it&#8217;s just another false alarm.</p>
<p>Bobs last blog post..<a href="http://blackholesandastrostuff.blogspot.com/2008/05/aquarid-meteor-shower.html">Aquarid Meteor Shower</a></p>
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		<title>By: Swubird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swubird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will:

For better, or for worse, I think that people will always seek the course of least resistance. As long as they can afford high gas prices they'll pay them. As long as fast food exists, they'll eat it. And as long as heating and air-conditioning bills are affordable, they'll abuse them - hot in winter, and freezing in summer. It's always been that way, and I think it will always be that way.

The only thing that seems to change people's real behavior is the total lack of money. Take a guy who has recently been fired, or laid off, and you'll see a true conservationist. But as soon as he finds another good job - bingo - he's sittin' at McD's in his air conditioned Hummer ordering the biggest box of greasy fries, quarter pounder, and chocolate malt that he can get his hands on. It's like nothing ever happened. And why does everyone from the less fortunate countries (no names, but Mexico!) come to America? It sure isn't for our recycling programs. They want to indulge until they drop, or until every last natural resource is choked from the earth. That's the real American dream. I don't mean to sound so gloomy, but that's my opinion.

Swubirds last blog post..&lt;a href="http://swubird.blogspot.com/2008/05/ignorance-is-bliss.html"&gt;IGNORANCE IS BLISS!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:</p>
<p>For better, or for worse, I think that people will always seek the course of least resistance. As long as they can afford high gas prices they&#8217;ll pay them. As long as fast food exists, they&#8217;ll eat it. And as long as heating and air-conditioning bills are affordable, they&#8217;ll abuse them - hot in winter, and freezing in summer. It&#8217;s always been that way, and I think it will always be that way.</p>
<p>The only thing that seems to change people&#8217;s real behavior is the total lack of money. Take a guy who has recently been fired, or laid off, and you&#8217;ll see a true conservationist. But as soon as he finds another good job - bingo - he&#8217;s sittin&#8217; at McD&#8217;s in his air conditioned Hummer ordering the biggest box of greasy fries, quarter pounder, and chocolate malt that he can get his hands on. It&#8217;s like nothing ever happened. And why does everyone from the less fortunate countries (no names, but Mexico!) come to America? It sure isn&#8217;t for our recycling programs. They want to indulge until they drop, or until every last natural resource is choked from the earth. That&#8217;s the real American dream. I don&#8217;t mean to sound so gloomy, but that&#8217;s my opinion.</p>
<p>Swubirds last blog post..<a href="http://swubird.blogspot.com/2008/05/ignorance-is-bliss.html">IGNORANCE IS BLISS!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey chasgone - Welcome back!  Creature of habit is good with good habits.  ;-)

Thanks for the happy songs in your last post.  That is quite the 1964 dress on Ms. Clark.  She can sing, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey chasgone - Welcome back!  Creature of habit is good with good habits.  <img src='http://willtaft.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the happy songs in your last post.  That is quite the 1964 dress on Ms. Clark.  She can sing, though.</p>
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