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	<title>Comments on: Carbon Monoxide In Fresh Meat Packaging</title>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-10216</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

here are my two cents on the situation. What i feel is that if we can afford it we should prefer organic or local meat. This puts less fatigue  on our environment and our bodies. The so called preservatives should be allowed in meat packaging as long as they are not harmful. The argument by one congressman that the discoloration did not happen is really dumb because i do not feel that something should be ridiculed just because its doing the work that it is supposed to do. What should be emphasized is that the dates on the packaging are temper proof so that no one is fooled into buying something that is not fresh</description>
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<p>here are my two cents on the situation. What i feel is that if we can afford it we should prefer organic or local meat. This puts less fatigue  on our environment and our bodies. The so called preservatives should be allowed in meat packaging as long as they are not harmful. The argument by one congressman that the discoloration did not happen is really dumb because i do not feel that something should be ridiculed just because its doing the work that it is supposed to do. What should be emphasized is that the dates on the packaging are temper proof so that no one is fooled into buying something that is not fresh</p>
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		<title>By: WES BOLDT</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-10009</link>
		<dc:creator>WES BOLDT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-10009</guid>
		<description>Our business suffers because of inaccurate reporting and consumer ignorance.  When the carbon monoxide articles first started to appear regarding using this in packaged red meat, we got calls saying their companies had to stop using our products.  The chemistry symbol for carbon monoxide is CO.  We produce a CO2 vapor that is a natural gas in the atmosphere.  It is safe and an anti microbial gas, and necessary for life form on our planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our business suffers because of inaccurate reporting and consumer ignorance.  When the carbon monoxide articles first started to appear regarding using this in packaged red meat, we got calls saying their companies had to stop using our products.  The chemistry symbol for carbon monoxide is CO.  We produce a CO2 vapor that is a natural gas in the atmosphere.  It is safe and an anti microbial gas, and necessary for life form on our planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Organic and Ethical Food - The Road to Your Table &#124; Will Taft . com</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-7271</link>
		<dc:creator>Organic and Ethical Food - The Road to Your Table &#124; Will Taft . com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foods and Back to Nature? That General Mills owns Cascadia Farms and Muir Glen? Or that Cargill, discussed here , has its corporate tentacles in more health food companies than you can count? These examples do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Foods and Back to Nature? That General Mills owns Cascadia Farms and Muir Glen? Or that Cargill, discussed here , has its corporate tentacles in more health food companies than you can count? These examples do [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-3174</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew!  Back, (for a few minutes at least), from a long weekend of basketball games, hockey games, piano recitals, choir concerts, and more!  This is a busy time of year.

I can't believe you both have relatives that worked in poultry processing plants.  Reminds me of the old saying about watching sausage get made.

JD:  So basically they were holding training sessions, that probably were required, to make sure employees knew about safety, sanitation, etc.  Then they would pressure them to ignore what they were taught if they wanted to keep their jobs?  This is a family friendly site, so I can't really say what I think about that!

Anna:  That is a good point about the color.  I think the turn to red is instant upon contact with air, so it might not indicate anything about the freshness of the meat.  Linda Prout has commented on a couple of posts and indicated that grass Finnish grass fed meat and dairy are best.  I am going to look at her site and a couple others to learn more about that.

-Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew!  Back, (for a few minutes at least), from a long weekend of basketball games, hockey games, piano recitals, choir concerts, and more!  This is a busy time of year.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe you both have relatives that worked in poultry processing plants.  Reminds me of the old saying about watching sausage get made.</p>
<p>JD:  So basically they were holding training sessions, that probably were required, to make sure employees knew about safety, sanitation, etc.  Then they would pressure them to ignore what they were taught if they wanted to keep their jobs?  This is a family friendly site, so I can&#8217;t really say what I think about that!</p>
<p>Anna:  That is a good point about the color.  I think the turn to red is instant upon contact with air, so it might not indicate anything about the freshness of the meat.  Linda Prout has commented on a couple of posts and indicated that grass Finnish grass fed meat and dairy are best.  I am going to look at her site and a couple others to learn more about that.</p>
<p>-Will</p>
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		<title>By: techfun</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-3139</link>
		<dc:creator>techfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-3139</guid>
		<description>Anna, my sister-in-law spent a year working at a turkey processing plant and she said the same thing about eating turkey lunch meat or other non-whole turkey products.  

Her last job there was a promotion to food safety inspector and she went through extensive training for the job and she learned a lot of stuff that made her more comfortable with the safety guidelines.  However, when she started her actual job on the line she found out that if she flagged stuff as unsafe or obeyed about 90% of the rules she was taught, her job would be in jeopardy.  That was the catalyst for her eschewing turkey and leaving the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, my sister-in-law spent a year working at a turkey processing plant and she said the same thing about eating turkey lunch meat or other non-whole turkey products.  </p>
<p>Her last job there was a promotion to food safety inspector and she went through extensive training for the job and she learned a lot of stuff that made her more comfortable with the safety guidelines.  However, when she started her actual job on the line she found out that if she flagged stuff as unsafe or obeyed about 90% of the rules she was taught, her job would be in jeopardy.  That was the catalyst for her eschewing turkey and leaving the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-3138</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-3138</guid>
		<description>Will, usually when I see really red meat to me it is something wrong. Please correct me if I am wrong, but when you look at your vains they are purple, and when you cut one (please don't, this is just an example, lol), the blood turns into nice red color, due to reaction with oxygen. So to me red meat is actually artificial, and the more purple colored the it is more real. For example, if you have few steaks stack up, they are usually red outside and more purple darker color inside. I could be wrong, but to me it makes sense.
Anyway, my sister once worked in chicken packaging place, and she told me never eat frozen chicken again, she couldn't believe how much of fillers they were adding including some gases to for packaging.
Anna :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, usually when I see really red meat to me it is something wrong. Please correct me if I am wrong, but when you look at your vains they are purple, and when you cut one (please don&#8217;t, this is just an example, lol), the blood turns into nice red color, due to reaction with oxygen. So to me red meat is actually artificial, and the more purple colored the it is more real. For example, if you have few steaks stack up, they are usually red outside and more purple darker color inside. I could be wrong, but to me it makes sense.<br />
Anyway, my sister once worked in chicken packaging place, and she told me never eat frozen chicken again, she couldn&#8217;t believe how much of fillers they were adding including some gases to for packaging.<br />
Anna <img src='http://willtaft.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: techfun</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-2790</link>
		<dc:creator>techfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meat industry should have the guts to try educating consumers rather than fearing that consumers aren't smart enough to understand the meanings of terms and processes.   But thats asking a lot of an industry that sued Oprah Winfrey for &lt;a href="http://www.salon.com/news/1998/01/20news.html"&gt;swearing off hamburgers&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meat industry should have the guts to try educating consumers rather than fearing that consumers aren&#8217;t smart enough to understand the meanings of terms and processes.   But thats asking a lot of an industry that sued Oprah Winfrey for <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/1998/01/20news.html">swearing off hamburgers</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-2780</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-2780</guid>
		<description>Bob:  You are not confused about the carbon dioxide.  That has been researched and proposed for use in meat sales also.  I think it is mainly for use in the environment that unwrapped meat is kept in  For example, the meat locker, or the butchers display case.  

What I can find on it indicates that carbon dioxide greatly slows down the loss of water from meat.  As one of the companies championing the use of CO2 says:


&lt;blockquote&gt;"The CO2 Technologies system releases H2O and CO2  into the refrigerated environment.  Lean meat is about 75% water.  Loss of water is important because it is economically equivalent to the loss of meat.  By raising the relative humidity in the case, the dehydration that occurs is reduced.  Food scientists agree that meat cuts lose their color prematurely relative to their wholesomeness, and by modifying the air with the introduction of carbon dioxide to displace oxygen, our CO2 Technologies system will stop this premature discoloration."&lt;/blockquote&gt;



-Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob:  You are not confused about the carbon dioxide.  That has been researched and proposed for use in meat sales also.  I think it is mainly for use in the environment that unwrapped meat is kept in  For example, the meat locker, or the butchers display case.  </p>
<p>What I can find on it indicates that carbon dioxide greatly slows down the loss of water from meat.  As one of the companies championing the use of CO2 says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The CO2 Technologies system releases H2O and CO2  into the refrigerated environment.  Lean meat is about 75% water.  Loss of water is important because it is economically equivalent to the loss of meat.  By raising the relative humidity in the case, the dehydration that occurs is reduced.  Food scientists agree that meat cuts lose their color prematurely relative to their wholesomeness, and by modifying the air with the introduction of carbon dioxide to displace oxygen, our CO2 Technologies system will stop this premature discoloration.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>-Will</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-2779</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JD!  The answer to your first question would be yes if the meat industry gets its way.  That is because, even though the answer to your second point seems to no, the meat industry does not want labeling.

Sarcasm on)They are afraid of the "naive" consumer picking up a package of meat labeled as being preserved by carbon dioxide and saying "what the..., I'm not buying that! (sarcasm off)

This same issue comes up with the irradiation of meat.  Even though the actual process may not be dangerous to the consumer eating the meat, the meat industry does not want the radiation word on their packages.  In this case also they are afraid of that same "naive" consumer being able to make a choice as to what they want to bring home to their family.

-Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JD!  The answer to your first question would be yes if the meat industry gets its way.  That is because, even though the answer to your second point seems to no, the meat industry does not want labeling.</p>
<p>Sarcasm on)They are afraid of the &#8220;naive&#8221; consumer picking up a package of meat labeled as being preserved by carbon dioxide and saying &#8220;what the&#8230;, I&#8217;m not buying that! (sarcasm off)</p>
<p>This same issue comes up with the irradiation of meat.  Even though the actual process may not be dangerous to the consumer eating the meat, the meat industry does not want the radiation word on their packages.  In this case also they are afraid of that same &#8220;naive&#8221; consumer being able to make a choice as to what they want to bring home to their family.</p>
<p>-Will</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://willtaft.com/food-safety/carbon-monoxide-in-fresh-meat-packaging/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again for a very informative post, wasn't aware of the carbon monoxide, for some reason I had it in my mind it was carbon dioxide, and I just bought a turkey today, I never even thought of getting an organically grown turkey, I'll have to look around next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for a very informative post, wasn&#8217;t aware of the carbon monoxide, for some reason I had it in my mind it was carbon dioxide, and I just bought a turkey today, I never even thought of getting an organically grown turkey, I&#8217;ll have to look around next time.</p>
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