Comments on: When Are You Really Lost? http://willtaft.com/hiking/when-are-you-really-lost/ Healthy Living For People and Planet Earth Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:41:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Will http://willtaft.com/hiking/when-are-you-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12364 Will Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:26:35 +0000 http://willtaft.com/?p=703#comment-12364 I agree with your Swubird. There has to be some personal responsibility, and penalty for being "idiots", though. And that is an interesting take on it, JD. If I understand correctly, it is sort of opposite to what is often said... That it is the people who don't file a "flight plan" and due out date that should be charged. And the ones that do everything right and still get into trouble are covered. Thanks for the Birthday wish. Another year older, but fortunately not deeper in debt! I agree with your Swubird. There has to be some personal responsibility, and penalty for being “idiots”, though.

And that is an interesting take on it, JD. If I understand correctly, it is sort of opposite to what is often said… That it is the people who don’t file a “flight plan” and due out date that should be charged. And the ones that do everything right and still get into trouble are covered. Thanks for the Birthday wish. Another year older, but fortunately not deeper in debt!

]]> By: Will http://willtaft.com/hiking/when-are-you-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12363 Will Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:21:35 +0000 http://willtaft.com/?p=703#comment-12363 You know Steve, I think there should be a special penalty for people like that. A "self centered dumb fine". A good point about the practice, though. I knew a S&R volunteer who approached it exactly like that. You know Steve, I think there should be a special penalty for people like that. A “self centered dumb fine”. A good point about the practice, though. I knew a S&R volunteer who approached it exactly like that.

]]> By: JD http://willtaft.com/hiking/when-are-you-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12360 JD Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:00:22 +0000 http://willtaft.com/?p=703#comment-12360 If people - from the beginning - give a 'due back' date and choose for themselves how much leeway to give before starting a search then I could see charging for it. But if the hiker did not go into it knowing they could incur a charge by extending their hike or not coming back by the same route they went in etc... I can't see why they should incur the expense. By the way, Happy Birthday Will! <abbr><em>JDs last blog post..<a href="http://blog.techfun.org/was-it-war-for-oil-afterall" rel="nofollow">Was it War for Oil Afterall?</a></abbr></em> If people – from the beginning – give a ‘due back’ date and choose for themselves how much leeway to give before starting a search then I could see charging for it. But if the hiker did not go into it knowing they could incur a charge by extending their hike or not coming back by the same route they went in etc… I can’t see why they should incur the expense.

By the way, Happy Birthday Will!

JDs last blog post..Was it War for Oil Afterall?

]]> By: Swubird http://willtaft.com/hiking/when-are-you-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12358 Swubird Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:57:13 +0000 http://willtaft.com/?p=703#comment-12358 Will: In this case I definitely do not think they should be charged. It's not their fault that a search was issued. No case. As to charging for searches in general, I'm against it. But I have to hedge that in a case like the one mentioned above. They call for a helicopter because they're tired? Please. At least say it's an emergency. Idiots should be charged, but not sincere cases where the hikers are in danger. And kids, or their guardians should never be charged. Happy trails. <abbr><em>Swubirds last blog post..<a href="http://swubird.blogspot.com/2008/10/tire-thief.html" rel="nofollow">THE TIRE THIEF</a></abbr></em> Will:

In this case I definitely do not think they should be charged. It’s not their fault that a search was issued. No case.

As to charging for searches in general, I’m against it. But I have to hedge that in a case like the one mentioned above. They call for a helicopter because they’re tired? Please. At least say it’s an emergency. Idiots should be charged, but not sincere cases where the hikers are in danger. And kids, or their guardians should never be charged.

Happy trails.

Swubirds last blog post..THE TIRE THIEF

]]> By: steve http://willtaft.com/hiking/when-are-you-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12354 steve Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:58:23 +0000 http://willtaft.com/?p=703#comment-12354 hi Will, This story raises a question that I'm still on the fence over. I'm not sure when "lost" hikers should be charged for their rescue, or who should decide. I was told by a Grand Canyon park ranger once that some hikers called a helicopter to get them out because they were "too tired" to finish hiking out of the canyon... I guess the silver lining in these rescues, whether the taxpayer picks up the tab or not, is that it gives the rescuers practice and keeps them current on their equipment and techniques. ~ Steve hi Will,
This story raises a question that I’m still on the fence over. I’m not sure when “lost” hikers should be charged for their rescue, or who should decide. I was told by a Grand Canyon park ranger once that some hikers called a helicopter to get them out because they were “too tired” to finish hiking out of the canyon… I guess the silver lining in these rescues, whether the taxpayer picks up the tab or not, is that it gives the rescuers practice and keeps them current on their equipment and techniques. ~ Steve

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