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Oregon recently expanded the ban on smoking indoors to all indoor work sites, including bars.  There are many people unhappy with the new law and not all the unhappy people are smokers.  For example, the law states you must smoke more than 10 feet from the door to any business.  No only is this almost an unenforceable requirement, it creates a new problem for businesses next door to bars.  With all the smokers outside on the sidewalk, more cigarette smoke enters the adjacent businesses that did before the new law took effect.  Additionally, the odd habit that many smokers have of just tossing their spent cigarettes on the ground when smoking outside creates a trash problem for nearby businesses.  In a past effort to cut down on public smoking, many towns have bans on outdoor public ashtrays, contributing to the litter problem.  It does get complicated in a hurry, but the basic issue remains the same, non-smokers do not want to see or smell the cigarettes of smokers.  What is a smoker to do?

Well the answer more frequently is to use e-cigarettes.  The e-cigarette is a device that looks like a regular cigarette, complete with a fake filter and glowing, orange, led light on the other end.  There is no second hand smoke, smell or waste as the e-cigarette delivers what smokers crave without any burning, or even any tobacco.  It works by producing a heated mist of nicotine and other chemicals when the “smoker” sucks on the “filter” end of the device.  Many smokers say that because these $150.00 devices even satisfies the need to be doing something with the hands; they are a much more acceptable alternative than patches or nicotine gum.

I have not been around any of these devices so I can’t vouch for the claims of smoke and smell free puffing.  One blog I read stated that when they exhaled, there was a vapor leaving their lungs that could be seen in the air.  I guess if they do not contaminate the indoor air space where they are being used; there is not a lot to complain about.  I am skeptical though.  If the chemicals provided in the cigarette are inhaled and then exhaled into a room’s air, then non-smokers are still being exposed to second hand health risks.  In addition the manufacturers of these devices are making many different candy flavored nicotine delivery systems, leading many to believe that children are being targeted.

What do you think?  Have you seen or used these devices?  Are they safe for non-smokers?  I know Australia bans them, but I don’t know why.  I also know that I am often bothered by smoking at work.  Even though the smoking takes place outside, we non-smokers are often enveloped by a cloud of second hand smoke.  In addition people at work smoke in the commonly used trucks and cars and in the outdoor portable bathrooms.  I guess the e-cigarettes would solve these two problems for us.

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1 Steve

hey Will,
I should be smart and keep my mouth shut on this one, but…
I hate smoke. I’m glad I live in California where it isn’t allowed in restaurants. It’s an eye-opener when (seldom) I get to travel. I don’t think cigarettes should be made illegal, I just don’t want the smoke anywhere near me.
My solution is the fish-tank bubble helmet. It would be a clear globe that fits over the smoker’s head and keeps all the smoke in for his continued pleasure… yeh, I should have kept my mouth shut. ~ Steve

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2 Swubird

Will:

I have never seen one of those devices. They sound practical, but I could care less about helping smokers to maintain their disgusting habit. Stop smoking! It’s killing us! They are all selfish, insensitive, egomaniacs who would trade your good health for another butt in a flat second. They actually think that smoking is their God-given right. “It’s my body,” they say. BS. Just because it’s your body doesn’t mean that you can risk the life and heath of your neighbors. Wise up smokers.

I smoked for many years. That’s right, I’m a born again smoker who kicked the habit, and now I’m on the soapbox to preach salvation. It’s true. I read the literature. I understood the problem. So I stopped smoking. I feel a hundred percent better, and I’m still here! A feat, no doubt, because I quit. And my presence doesn’t increase your health care premiums one tiny cent.

I support any law that curtails or bans smoking. There is no substitute for good health.

Happy trails.

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3 Will

A fish tank bubble helmet, Steve? hmm.

Swubird – I certainly understand your tone towards smokers. Most smokers just don’t understand how offensive and choking the smell is to non-smokers. I don’t think that most smokers are insensitive or selfish, they just really don’t understand. And wouldn’t a widespread adoption of these devices make it easier for us non-smokers to avoid cigarette smoke?

Maybe a smoker who has tried these can chime in here. What I really wonder is: Do they give the smoker a close enough experience to burning tobacco to ever catch on? Smokers are not just addicted to the drugs and chemicals in tobacco cigarettes, there are a host of other things that go along with the smoke that keep smokers addicted.

One of the things these e-cigarettes would help is the litter problem. I have never understood why so many smokers just toss their butts on the ground. Take a look at this site for some eye opening facts about that!

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4 Swubird

Will:

Sorry. I just don’t want to allow anything that encourages smokers to smoke. They have to accept the fact that their personal good health is not only good for them, it’s also good for society at large.

Smoking is just like any fatal sickness. The only difference is that it doesn’t affect the victim right away. It takes years. So the victim goes about his or her business thinking that everything is all right. Not so. Death is most certain.

I don’t want smokers to quit smoking because I hate people. To the contrary, I like people. But when people are addicted to a power drug, like nicotine, our responsibility is to help them, not encourage them. We must recognize that nicotine is a powerful, mind altering killer that must be stopped. So let’s quite inventing gadgets and making lame excuses. Either we want to wipe out addiction, or we don’t. I, for one, want to wipe it out.

Happy trails.

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5 Mezo

I haven’t seen or used these before, and i think they are not harmful to non smokers as the substances that cause cancer aren’t produced, nicotine increases the smoker’s heart rate and pressure but it’s TAR that’s responsible for causing cancer (tar is produced from burning of the cigarette paper)……i think they are a good idea

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6 Will

Your intentions are probably good, Swubird. But… I think many of the current smokers do not want to quit. I know a couple that sure don’t. In many places the percentage of smokers is down under 10 or 15%. And many smokers these days do their best to avoid exposing non-smokers to their smoke. If their is a device that makes avoiding this exposure easier, maybe it is a good thing? On the other hand if e-cigarettes avoid the smell and stigma for the smoker, then perhaps more people will sue these nicotine delivery devices? In that case, us non-smokers would be less exposed, but more people overall would be addicted. Yikes! I am getting a headache thinking about this now.

I have read that a very high percentage of people who still smoke do so because the nicotine dampens their appetite. If people could do that without producing a cloud of smoke and smelling like an ashtray, probably more people would get themselves addicted to nicotine. I wonder how many people use other nicotine delivery systems now? I think the gum is over the counter? Maybe the percentage of smokers is down, but the overall percentage of people using nicotine is not when you consider patches, gum, etc.

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7 Christa

I don’t think that anyone who doesn’t already smoke would enjoy an E-cigarette. They come in many ‘flavors’ that do not taste like their names. However, they are the only nicotine product that helped me quit smoking after 10 years of trying. You can get them in different levels of nicotine, including none. They cannot be advertised as a smoking cessation device yet, but in my opinion, it is the best thing on the market.

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8 Will

Congratulations Christa on your success in stopping. Thanks for your insights on how well they work for that purpose. Are you saying that they taste bad to smokers. Or, that they just taste bad enough that they will not be an enticement to non-smokers who might be tempted to try them?

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9 Kim

I started using an e-cigarette about 2 weeks ago. I have cut down from 1 1/2 packs per day to about 5 cigarettes per day. The e-cig gives you the smoking sensation without the smell and second hand smoke. I can smoke my e-cig in the car, and no one even realizes I’m smoking it. It produces a vapor that dissipates into the air as soon as it is blown out, and there is no smell at all. It is the best alternative to smoking I have ever seen. I am very pleased with mine, and hope to be off regular cigarettes soon!

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10 Will

Hey Kim – That sounds good, I think. Are you down to using the e-cigarettes 5 times a day? Or are you using the e-cigarettes and also smoking 5 regular cigarettes a day?

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11 Gamepockets

I smoke the e cigs. i smoke 2 packs a day of regular cigs and am trying to quit with the e cigs help. I just got mine yesterday but i can smoke at work (right now infact) next to a non smoker no more than 4 ft. from my face and he can’t notice anything but what looks like light smoke coming out of me for an instant. i’m happy, i’m quitting, he’s happy, their grrrreat! and as far as “soap boxing” to the rest of us who do smoke, we made that choice, just like eating 20 ding dongs and watching sex and the city while crying because no man will touch you…You can’t just get all high and mighty cause your a non smoker. i know lots of people who drink but don’t smoke. it’s trading vices, the difference is I can’t get in a car and kill someone cause i’m smokin a cigarette…

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12 Jenna

To those truly judgemental folks who have posted, the e-cig does NOT encourage people to smoke, not is it a smoking device! It is just like the nicotine patch or gum, it’s just inhaled as a vapor. No smell, no carcinogens, no smoking! I’ve enjoyed mine for 2 days now, and have NOT HAD A REAL CIGARETTE IN THOSE 2 DAYS!! You keep saying you want us not to smoke, and we try, but the addiction is incredibly tough to beat. This is the first time in 20 years I have had real hope of quitting, and it’s thanks to the electronic cigarette. Please research what the product is and does before you make shallow, uninformed judgements on its “dangers”. I am so thankful it exists.

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13 William

The e – cig sounds like a good deal for smokers and non smokers alike. Of course with pressure from the anti smoking groups the FDA,CDC, EPA WHO,ALA, ACS and untold others will find that nicotine is the “real” evil all along.Since they can’t use second hand, third hand or fourth hand smoke, 3rd graders will get MOM and Dad to buy one for them. I heard the Gov’t spent $467,989.36 to research 4th hand smoke. It is actually very dangerous and is explosive in large quantities, it is smoker farts! Research shows that if a smoker is in a crowded elevator and passes gas, two people will die within the next 119 years from the lasting effects. Flashbacks are not uncommon and can last for years. Yeah this sounds off the wall, but I would not be surprised if there is a study occuring using Gov’t funds to investigate this. E cigs must be fun or the nannies would not be interested in eliminating your fun. When you have your buds over for burgers, that grill is producing carcinogens in the meat. You are endangering the lives of your pals. All of us live with risks, the nannies want to eliminate all risks in life, and by doing so they remove enjoyment as well. I don’t smoke , don’t drink, and only eat tofu. Remember: You can’t fix stupid, but you can vote em out!

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14 Jan

I smoked. I enjoy it. I was sooo very happy when they came out with these. When using the e cig it’s called vaping and because of the e cig, I haven’t had an actual cigarette in a month. I feel better!!!
Now I hear the EPA wants to ban them because of the influence it might have on the non smoker. I don’t use nicotine. That’s right, I’m getting absolutely NO DRUGS from inhaling the vapor, but they want me to stop using what puts out what a humidifier is capable of putting out and go back to tobacco because of what it MIGHT do.
Stupid.
I think one country bans the cartridges or e liquid with nicotine. That would be a better option but still not right.

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15 Stewart

I have smoked for 35 years, and started using the “e-cig” a couple of months ago…not as a stop smoking aid, but as an attempt to find a healthier alternative to something I enjoy doing. They DO work, and satisfy the urge to smoke. They are virtually odorless, and the “smoke” dissapates in SECONDS, instead of lingering like real cigarette smoke. While I wouldn’t use mine in close proximity to a non-smoker out of courtesy, I doubt there is much risk of “second hand smoke” exposure, since there IS no smoke. I would venture to guess that a passing city bus exposes one to more toxic fumes than this device ever could. I would also like to caution people who write articles, such as the one above, to actually bother to investigate before commenting. For example, I have seen $150-200 quoted over and over as the price they sell for, when in reality they can be purchased for $30-50, including the battery recharger and a few nicotine cartriges. Let’s all try to maintain a little CIVILITY in the smoking/anti-smoking debate, as I,for one,am getting a little tired of being spoken to and about disrespectably by vehement anti-smokers who all have plenty of vices themselves, some of them harmful to themselves and potentially, to others.

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16 Alfredo

What’s in the vapor you exhale?, I’ve heard its pure water vapor.
But common sense, It has to have traces of nicotine or from other substances.
Please comment on this matter.
Thanks

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17 Will

Hi Alfredo – I agree with you, common sense says there has to be trace amounts of the chemicals in your exhaled breath. I am sure it is much less than regular cigarettes. And as far as second hand smoke, these will reduce that. If someone is getting a nicotine fix near me, I would much rather have them use one of these that a smoking butt. The other thing is that because many smokers don’t seem to see their finished cigarettes as trash, they just throw them on the ground. As we have not yet been able to breed pigeons that eat the butts, the e-cigs will help clean up our streets. There are indeed some benefits to e-cigs, but the health of the nicotine addict does not seem to be one of them. Also these things will make it much easier for teens to get addicted to nicotine without the adults in their lives knowing. With regular cigarettes, because of the terrible smell on clothes, breath, etc., it is impossible to not know someone smokes. Anyway there is a lot more info at this link if you are interested.

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18 e-doke

your legal to chew tobacco inside of public places. people have to watch them spit over and over. eww.. why wouldnt e cigs be legal in public places? they dont even have an odor. have kids wanting to smoke pure vapor instead of straight black tar. i have tried one at a mall. way cool.

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19 Benjamin Huebner

I´ve tried my first electronic cigarette about a week ago and it´s a great advantage against traditional cigarettes. Sure, it´s much better to avoid any kind of consuming tobacco or nicotine, but for those of you don´t able to quit smoking, this is the by far better way to consume nicotine!

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20 Anon

You non-smokers sit there and thump your little FDA newsletters and it makes me sick. Maybe if you treated us with some more respect we would do the same. Moving on, I’ve only been a smoker for about 6 yrs now. About a month ago, I went to the mall and tried this E-cigarette. All I’m going to say is that after hanging with the sales clerk there and smoking it, I no longer felt the need to step out for a cigarette. I am thinking about making the commitment to actually buy these and use them to help me quit smoking.

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21 Bob Towsley

Ecigarettes. Nicotine. Nicotine in it’s purest form is toxic. True, but ecigareetes do not have nicotine in it’s purest form. Nicotine is only 2% of the contents of a ecigarette cartridge. The nicotine inhaled is absorbed at 89% by the vaper. That means less than two percent of the vapor is nicotine. The vapor dissipates almost immediately. Nicotine has been found to help curb Alzheimers disease, and Parkinson’s disease. It is a know fact that smokes have a lower rate of both of those diseases. Propylene glycol is anothere ingredient in ecigarettes. It is the largest of the ingredients. Apart from the numerous healthful products we use, it is also used as a germicide spray by hospitals to control airborne diseases. I would say it is a much safer aternative to the tobacco cigarette .The other ingredients are flavoring, and water. No contest!

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22 Meljaxx

Good post Bob and like all things in life there are the positive and negatives aspects. Tobacco is going to become a thing of the past. Twenty years time the number of people that are diagnosed with cancer because of smoking will be very small. The e-cigarette will replace them all.

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23 Bob Towsley

Al though we know that ecigarettes are a healthy alternative to tobacco, the people we vote for are not the type of people who are prone to research. They prefer the spoken word . The only way to get politicians on our side is to influence their advisers. So far I have three shipments of e-cigarettes, on order for my own research . I want to be sure of all aspects of vaping before passing the info on to members of my family. So far supply in Canada stinks. One shipment was held up in Customs for twenty days and returned. One shipment has an untraceable tracking number and the supplier is reluctant to start an investigation after fifteen days. The Third sent 1 power adapter instead of my whole order which cost in the nineties, and I had to pay tax on the cost of the whole shipment. The tax was the price of the power adapter. No word from that company for two weeks. Their telephone has been out of order for that amount of time too. I may have to try a British source next.
It is a shame because I truly believe that e-cigarettes could make a big dent in health care costs.

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24 Terry and Tony

Loved this blog post and the comments! This is the first blog we’ve visited to comment on about e-cigs after having just posted an article on our own blog about these super elecronic cigarette devices. The candy flavourings could be a little worrying regards children, we agree. We’ve been smoking the e cigarettes for nearly two weeks now, the first two days we alternated between our usual smokes and the e cigs, and then after that, have been quite happy smoking just the e cigs.
.-= Terry and Tony´s last blog ..11 days smoking e cigarettes lung buddy in East London =-.

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25 Terry and Tony McGurk

Loved this blog post and the comments! This is the first blog we’ve visited to comment on about e-cigs after having just posted an article on our own blog about these super elecronic cigarette devices. The candy flavourings could be a little worrying regards children, we agree. We’ve been smoking the e cigarettes for nearly two weeks now, the first two days we alternated between our usual smokes and the e cigs, and then after that, have been quite happy smoking just the e cigs.
.-= Terry and Tony´s last blog ..11 days smoking e cigarettes lung buddy in East London =-.

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26 BobT

Why would children vape e-cigs for the flavors? There is candy every where. As for teens taking up vaping, It would be better than taking up smoking. If ecigarettes prevent teenagers from smoking, so much the better. It mght also get them off of marihuana. As for the nicotine scare, how many people have missed work because of overindulgence in nicotine? So it is an addictive substance. So is candy. alcohol, caffein, scarey movies, internet gambling, stupid videos, video games, and sports. I understand that jogging is also addictive. The point is if in this life we find something that makes it more pleasureable, we can enjoy them without feeling guilty about them. There are people who make a religion out of finding the bad side of everything. They cannot imagine, that there is a good side to all the different addictions in the world. It doesn’t seem to matter to them if the addiction does not harm anyone else. They must interfere. These people like the ones who work for Ash and like organizations are run by these negative thinking meddlers, under the guise of helping people who don’t want their attention..

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27 Will

Bob you touch on one thing that should probably be more obviously discussed in this thread. For the vast majority of non-smokers the smoke and smell from smokers is what is objected to. Sure there are some self-righteous folk who think that smoking should not be allowed ever, anywhere. But most non-smokers would just be happy to get away from the stench and smoke. E-cigarettes should help with that.

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28 Terry and Tony

BobT has made some great points about addiction to anything – what we meant when we said we thought the candy flavourings of the e cigarettes could be a little worrying was based on personal experience with my 11 and 12 year old children – they were curious about our new smokes and were asking questions and upon us telling them they have different flavours their reaction was “oh wow, cool!” We would hate them to try e-cigs out with friends and then move onto other more serious drugs just because of “oh wow, cool!” The two of us are not setting good examples to the children by smoking in the first place, and we hope to give up smoking completely, down the line when we feel more ready to – a bit tough right now when we also have a sweet tooth and enjoy those flavours… 🙂
.-= Terry and Tony´s last blog ..11 days smoking e cigarettes lung buddy in East London =-.

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29 Terry and Tony McGurk

BobT has made some great points about addiction to anything – what we meant when we said we thought the candy flavourings of the e cigarettes could be a little worrying was based on personal experience with my 11 and 12 year old children – they were curious about our new smokes and were asking questions and upon us telling them they have different flavours their reaction was “oh wow, cool!” We would hate them to try e-cigs out with friends and then move onto other more serious drugs just because of “oh wow, cool!” The two of us are not setting good examples to the children by smoking in the first place, and we hope to give up smoking completely, down the line when we feel more ready to – a bit tough right now when we also have a sweet tooth and enjoy those flavours… 🙂
.-= Terry and Tony´s last blog ..11 days smoking e cigarettes lung buddy in East London =-.

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30 Bob T.

What other drug has candy flavorings? Would you rather they start with real tobacco cigarettes? There is such a thing as 0 nicotine in some eliquids. There are ways of making anything taste bad also. I kids want candy flavoring they can get it in, candy! There are cigarillos on the market with sweet wine flavors. Some how there has not been a rush on them by children. Then you can take liquors. Have they started an epidemic of kids rushing to cocaine? The child protection excuse is just that, an excuse. That facts do not prove their assumptions.

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31 pierre

I’ve got news for all of you, you will all die smoke or not,so get off your tyrannical fundamentalist judgemental holier than thow new age twaddle and grow up,do you folks fight for the abolition of car exhaust fumes,or do you folks fight for the abolition of alcohol,probably not but you sit there with this smug science tells me so look you’re like those irritating school bulllies whose only motivation was my friends told me to do it,well dear bullies social science tells you population is the worlds number one problem,so smokers light up,right now death is the liberals best friend even though he or she can’t delay the appointment!PS I’m a non smoker!!!!!!!!!!!

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32 Will

PS I’m a non smoker!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh. And a non-thinker too. Oh well. Comments like this add a little dose of reality I guess eh? At least he seems to be serious and not just selling some spammy product like so many of the grammatically undecipherable comments. 😉

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33 Bob T.

To all those who object to cigarette smoking, who call it a disgusting habit, I ask one question. What is in smoking that you find disgusting? Are the same things in ecigarettes? Are you really familiar with ecigarettes? Seems I had more than one question. But I am really curious!

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34 Will

Hi Bob – Interesting that my original post is less vigorous than many of these comments. Often it is the other way around. If e-cigarettes really don’t have ANY effect on the air around where they are being used, it is hard to really object to them on anything other than a personal level. Disturbing as it may be to see products like these marketed to children, that is another issue all together. Now, regular cigarettes have no business being used anywhere near where non-smokers are.

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35 Bob T.

There are not many children that could afford the basic egigarette kits. I’m quite sure that fourty or fifty dollars would seem enormous compared to the five dollars or so for a pack of cigarettes. There is a learning curve to ecigarettes it is not like somking the real thing. They would very soon find the lack of nicoting high, to be like we found that taking asprin with coke, was to my generation. Then if they do happen to try it , they will be so disapointed in the actual doping effect they were searching for. When I was a kid someone bought a pack of cigarettes and we smoked the whole pack between the four of us. Got a bit nausiated, but did not want to try tht again. With ecigarettes, doing the same thing would get them a stinging throat similar to swallowing chewing tobacco. They sure wouldn’t like to try that again. But as I once commented, I would rather they try the ecigarette, than the real thing. It’s a lot less harmful

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36 Will

Good points Bob, especially about the cost. I guess I will have to Google aspirin and Coke. I have no idea what that is referring to. I know a couple of co-workers who chew tobacco. I definitely rather they used the e-cigarettes. Chewing tobacco is probably the most disgusting of all the tobacco habits and I am sure they would stop if they could. That is what is so sad about tobacco. I know some people SAY they have no interest in quitting, but…..

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37 Bob T.

Since I am in my seventies, it is not very popular today. The asprin coke thing was all the rage. Some guys actually ran around pretending they were under the influence of some drug. In actual fact coke and asprin did nothing. The misconception that nicotine is the cause of smokers being addicted is just that, a myth. It is the added chemicals that make the nicotine so addictive. Many who try ecigarettes are disapointed in the lack of satisfaction they get out of vaping. It is well known to veteren vapers that it is not the nicotine they crave but the additives that are in the regular cigarettes. Because nicotine is delivered through vapor, and that 98% of it is absorbed, there still is the craving for the missing additive. I believe real cigarettes deliver more nicotine but retain less. A good part of the nicotine is exhaled with the smoke. But it is the smoke, not the nicotine that is carcinogenic. That along with 4ooo other chemicals, and 60 odd carcinogens, found in cigarettes. Ecigarettes were primarily put out for the experienced smoker who had no intention of quitting, to make it a safe pastime so to speak. I hope a lot of these people learn about the ecigarette , and make it more pleasant themselves, and
for the rest of the world. I quit tweny years ago, and hated to walk through smokers in entranceways. Specially on the still windless days. With ecigarettes there is no clouds of smoke to bother a none smoker and no stench of burning organic matter. No butts. Imagine going through entrances without butts!

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38 Bob T.

Regarding tobacco chewers. There is a product called SNUS. They are little packets of finely minced tobacco in little pouches that are carried in the area between the lip and the teeth that are suposed to give satisfaction without the need to spit. Maybe your friends could look SNUS up through Googling. They come in all flavours and strengths.

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39 Terry and Tony

What Bob said: “it is not the nicotine they crave but the additives that are in the regular cigarettes” makes some sense to us. Our comment higher in this thread tells of us changing to only using the ecigarettes, and all was going fine – well, we’re back on regular smokes, and are struggling to change to the ecigarettes again, which we want to do. How did we get back onto the regular smokes when we were so happy with the ecigs? – We’re quite heavy smokers, and had to be away from home/electricity (for charging the batteries) (the spare ones), for more than just a few hours, and when the batteries went flat, we bought regular smokes. Went back vaping after that, but more and more we “sneaked” regular smokes, until it was pretty much back to smoking only regulars again. We changed to vaping before and will change again, but not before we make sure we have a third set of batteries – we could not smoke for a few days to save the money to get those batteries, but as Bob says, it must be those additives in the regular smokes that we’re enjoying/craving, so it’s not that easy.
.-= Terry and Tony´s last blog ..Other ways to beat writer’s block and write for SEO =-.

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40 Terry and Tony McGurk

What Bob said: “it is not the nicotine they crave but the additives that are in the regular cigarettes” makes some sense to us. Our comment higher in this thread tells of us changing to only using the ecigarettes, and all was going fine – well, we’re back on regular smokes, and are struggling to change to the ecigarettes again, which we want to do. How did we get back onto the regular smokes when we were so happy with the ecigs? – We’re quite heavy smokers, and had to be away from home/electricity (for charging the batteries) (the spare ones), for more than just a few hours, and when the batteries went flat, we bought regular smokes. Went back vaping after that, but more and more we “sneaked” regular smokes, until it was pretty much back to smoking only regulars again. We changed to vaping before and will change again, but not before we make sure we have a third set of batteries – we could not smoke for a few days to save the money to get those batteries, but as Bob says, it must be those additives in the regular smokes that we’re enjoying/craving, so it’s not that easy.
.-= Terry and Tony´s last blog ..Other ways to beat writer’s block and write for SEO =-.

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41 Tina

I have enjoyed reading most of these posts. I am a smoker and I for one do NOT toss cigarette butts on the ground, I can’t stand it when people do that. I usually flick the hot part off and make sure the cigarette is completely put and throw it away, or put it in my ourse if I’m not near a garbage. I am considering trying e-cigarettes, my question is do they taste and or feel like smoke?

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42 Tina

Another comment I’d like to make. A lot of us grew up during a time when smoking was very popular and almost expected. I remember being able to smoke in grocery stores, movie theaters, basically everywhere. If you went to a restaurant there was a long wait for a table in the Smoking section and non-smoking would practically be empty. I understand that most non smokers are perfect, with NO bad habits and are loved and accepted everywhere, and those of us who smoke are seriously flawed individuals, over all we are NOT trying to harm other people.

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43 Marcus

Ok so let me start by saying this. I hope that none of you have any kind of addiction. PERIOD. This is to include, drinking, drugs, dieting, eating, gambling, texting, blogging, or World of Warcraft. If you were or are addicted to anything please (and kindly) shut your face.

For those of you smokers out there that are considering other alternatives this is for you. First I went out and bought the 15 dollar disposable E-cig and used it for 3 days rather then smoking my normal cigs. (Camel Wides). After 3 days I felt great. Breathing wise. No smokers cough, no shortness of breath, no early AM wheezing. Now, Ill say this here and now, I have no idea if they are a “healthy” alternative to smoking. Personally, I felt better and will be buying the start up kit.

As far as these being marketed to kids These are more expensive then regular smokes. Kids are cheap. Period.

Now for all those that have read this far and are about to go on some big rawr typing spree. I LIKE TO SMOKE. I like the taste, i like the head sensation. MMMM. Now personally, i don’t care about your lungs, or the air pollution around you that may or may not effect your “quality of life”. Stop using Gasoline and polluting our atmosphere and then you may have something to stand on. Till then, pipe down. Also if pollution/ littering is that important to you i hope your in the Gulf of Mexico cleaning up the oil spill. IF NOT YOUR A HYPOCRITE.

Also Just want to throw up a big promotion to the legalization of Marijuana.
Have a good day.

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44 Not Marcus

Hmm. A little defensive are we?

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45 susan

I enjoyed the above conversation and I’ll like adding up my comment. I am a smoker from past 5 years. I started smoking at the age of 17. My smoking habit got increased by each passing day. I started from a cig daily and now I smoke 3 packs a day. For me it was like hell quit smoking. But when I heard about jasper and jasper electronic cigarettes I was like, I have been bestowed with such a great invention. I won’t agree with those who say that e-cigs don’t help in quitting. Man it DOES… I make a rough calculation I would rather say that I smoke hardly a pack daily and sooner the quantity will reduce.

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46 Smith

I love to Smoke E-Cigarette of J&J Company. Their Electronic cigarettes have been the only way I have been able to almost quit smoking. I think the truth is that I was able to replace 95% of my smoking with vaping proves without any hesitation it works for me. However I still do need to smoke a couple of cigarettes almost every day for some reason. Well it’s much better than 2 packets of smokes a day. This is the first product I’ve come across that I believe has true potential to get me off of smoking tobacco.

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47 Vicky

This is too funny. Why does a non-smoker care how a smoker quits, as long as they do quit. What possible difference could it make to you if someone is sitting in the bar sucking on a e-cig or sucking on a straw. Basically it’s non of your business! They are not blowing smoke at you now, so quit the whining please.
I smoked for 35 years and started smoking e-cigs on March 1st, 2010 and stopped smoking regular cigs on March 2nd, 2010. No one can tell me e-cigs won’t help people quit smoking. I highly recommend them. I feel great!
The contravercy on these cigs won’t quit until FDA approves them and I don’t see that happening any time soon because of all the tabacco industry big money involved from the in this country. The tabacco companies will do almost anything to keep people from using these.
They don’t taste exactly like a real cigs, but close enough to satisfy you. If your curious about them, try a disposable you can pick up for about $10.00 and give it a try. They are good for about a pack of cigarettes. They come in several levels of nicotine, all the way down to Zero nicotine.

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48 Lisa

What most of you people fail to realize is that it’s not average persons who started the objections to the e-cigs. Think about it… If smokers switch to e-cigs, then who has anything to lose? The tobacco and pharmaceutical companies and the government, that’s who. Come on, use your heads! I quit my 2 pack a day smoking habit. The tobacco company who manufactured the cigs that I used to smoke lose revenue from my tobacco habit. The government loses revenue from the taxes levied on my tobacco habit. The pharmaceutical companies don’t make any money because I’m not purchasing their products to quit smoking.

I tried the patches, gum, and pills. Even tried cold turkey. None of them worked! e-cigs work! I started just over a month ago and last week smoked my last analog (regular cig). My breathing is easier and I can climb a flight of stairs without wheezing. I am still coughing up lung build-up but it is lessening and more clear than brown. I don’t stink! My house and my children don’t stink!

As for children/teenagers trying them, I’m sure some will just as some drink alcohol and smoke reg. cigs. There is just no avoiding that. For the most part though, the cost and maintenance will be a huge deterrent. e-cigs are not cheap, they require upkeep and accessories. I am the mother of 3 children who always hated my smoking and are happy that I have switched to e-cigs in my search for a way to quit. And if it ever comes up, I would rather my children take up smoking e-cigs any day over the nasty, stinky tobacco alternative.

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49 edub

the e-cig scares big tabacco . alot of $$$ at stake for politicians.

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50 joseph

yeh i totally agree the bigtobacco chains are scared because humans are like sheep we follow trend if alot of people start smoking e-cigs it will spread worldwide and as there is no tax on them as of yet the government isnt getting anything at all. however i use a gamucci micro i feel alot more healthy within mself and i would never go back to normal cigarettes! heres a link of the micro check it out. ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Az8Jm_B5Y

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51 Barb Griffith

i tried one brand (don’t remember the name) it was a full flavor and i normally smoke Marlboro100’s. They tasted NASTY. Don’t know how to describe it but something like what burnt sugar smells like if you know what i mean.

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52 Donald

Liar, Liar, underpants on fire! You non-smokers can’t smell these things so what do you care?

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53 Joanne

I would like to respond to the person that said most smokers don’t care about non-smokers. I am embarrased to be a smoker and do not want anyone in public to see me. I don’t feel good from smoking yet i can’t stop, I desperately want to try the e-cig to help me feel better and eventually stop. I don’t want to smell bad and I don’t want to offend anyone that stands near me after I’ve had a smoke. I want the freedom to choose. I use an ashtray in my garage and I don’t blow smoke at people that don’t smoke.

Health Canada has Band the sales of this just because the US FDA, and we all know its all about the money, thanks for killing our hopes of quiting without the use of your Pharma Drugs that I will never use so i could possiblily have a seisure, constipation, nightmares, shortness of breath, heart attack, thoughts of suicide, or death

I’ll just take my chances with cigarettes until i can somehow get an e-cig on the black market.

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54 Louis

I suggest that you have a small notebook handy and draw three columns. The first column is for the date and time, the second column is to record your feelings just before you light up, and the third column is to record your feelings just after you light up. Over the next week keep the diary. Just before you feel that you need a cigarette do you feel angry, upset, hungry, bored, fidgety, tired, stressed, depressed, lonely, lowly, anxious etc?

Then analyse your feelings after lighting up. After you have had the cigarette complete the third column of your notebook by describing the perceived benefit you derived from the cigarette. Did the cigarette make you feel less angry, more content, not hungry, inspired, calmer, more energized, relaxed, uplifted, content, elevated, relaxed etc. You will quickly observe that there is a pattern that you were probably unaware of previously. Note that all of the “triggers” that drove you to have a cigarette were BAD feelings. And all of the derived perceived benefits that you gained after having the cigarette were also feelings, GOOD feelings. You have to realize that “feelings” belong to you and you alone. Cigarettes do not endow you with GOOD feelings. Unfortunately, you have come to believe that to be the case. The truth is that the BAD feelings that made you want the cigarette came from the cigarette. These BAD feelings were generated inside you from the nicotine-withdrawal experienced because it was a while since your last nicotine intake. The GOOD feelings came from within you. Once you truly realize this fact and accept this truth quitting will be more doable. The truth will set you free.

Believe that you are NOT “giving up smoking”. You are quitting. Getting your mind around the addiction is very important to your success in Quitting. If you feel that you are “giving up smoking” the very words “giving up” hint at the suggestion that you would be sacrificing something that was worth having. Actually you would be freeing yourself of a nasty addiction devoid of any benefits whatsoever.

Don’t say “I’m thinking of quitting” or “I’m trying to quit”, or “I’m giving up smoking”. Say “I will soon be a non-smoker”. Some degree of withdrawal is inevitable, so don’t be too concerned about the inevitable. Plan in advance to be subjected to a brief period of emotional and physical discomfort. Visualise some of the nasty feeling that will occur. See yourself there in the discomfort. But, remember that withdrawal is a part of the cleansing process, and it does not last long, and once that phase is over your life will be more enriched and you will be free from addiction. Imagine how many children there would be born on Earth if the pain of the delivery put prospective mothers off. All mothers to be are aware of the momentary distress that they likely will incur. Remember cravings last for as little as 5-15 minutes at a time, and continue sporadically for possibly 6 months to a much lesser degree, after the last cigarette. Because of the deeply entrenched associations with the pleasant feelings that smokers incorrectly and unjustifiably attribute to the mind altering effects of their compulsive dependency, stressful and emotional life-events can plunge the former smoker back into the habit. It generally can take 2 to 3 months before a quitter can feel at peace with their new lot in life being nicotine-free. I sure wish everybody that is trying to quit the best of luck, by whatever means they find suits them. It’s the old “horses for courses” issue. Good luck.

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55 Will

Thanks for all that Louis. I am not generally a big fan of the “push page” sites like you link to, but in your case you sure are passionate and knowledgeable on this subject!

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56 Smokin' Tom

I’m a smoker and i do use an e-cigarette every so often. I use the E-cig to smoke where i can’t like inside anywhere. and it does help curve the craving and help me smoke less. but i ain’t giving up my tobacco. and some of the other commenters need to stop being so harsh against smokers, it is my body i can smoke whereever its legal you don’t like it go away, but those anti-smoking laws are just a new form Discrimination.

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57 Marilyn Fontaine

I think this EPA thing is totally ridiculous. I hate the fact that no matter what comes out to help smokers quit, some jackass has to find a problem with it. I had been a smoker for over 30 years and had tried everything available to quit. My daughter found the e-cigs and I ordered one. I have been using it since January 6th of this year, that was the last time I had a real cigarette. What I can tell you is this…IT WORKED. I can breath easier now, my blood pressure has gone down, I do not snore at night, I do not have acid reflux at night anymore. There is ABSOLUTELY NO ODOR, NO SMOKE, NO CARBON MONOXIDE, NO TAR, NO NOTHING. I use it INSIDE at work, my employer loves it, has absolutely no problem with it. My house and car smells better. IT HAS TRULY BEEN A LIFESAVER FOR ME. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO QUIT.

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58 Will

I am becoming a bit less against these, but from a selfish angle. They really do make the areas that people used to smoke in less stinky. I talked to someone who has apartment neighbors who smoke and they recently were pressured by the rest of the building, (all non-smokers), to start using these when they are inside. It has made the air in the building much cleaner. Now if we coulod just expand those rules about not smoking within 10 feet of building entrances to something more effective like 30 feet!

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59 Courtney

The e-cig is a major advancement regardless for people trying to quit. But I’m struggling! I have the e-cig which I love for when I’m in places smoking isn’t allowed but I still crave my cigarettes terribly. The thing that has me dumbfounded though is that I only smoke organic cigarettes that supposedly don’t have added chemicals at all. I’m so frustrated!!! Why can’t I let go of my smokes?!! I would love to quit but struggle terribly emotionally and mentally going cold turkey and I loathe other nicotine replacements for quitting. I have an enormous amount of responsibilities in my life and can’t afford the mental and emotional trauma I endure when I withdraw

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